
Garza fixes her hair outside Korova in downtown SA. David Terry.
This interview took place in late January over tapas from Mon Thai Bistro. It has been edited for continuity. Stomping Grounds regrets that the tidbit about the dorkiness of both Adam Villela Coronado and Ryan Teter did not make the final draft.
AVC: What’s it like growing up in a musical family?
CG: I had to listen to my mom sing and play all the freaking time. I’m an only child so I like being alone and being in the quiet and all that. It was strange because my mother was always singing and, even now, sings out of nowhere.
In an environment like that, do you endeavor music just through osmosis?
When I was a kid, my grandma started giving me little piano lessons, so I learned a couple of classical pieces…But I didn’t continue it then because “child” Carly was not interested or something. Or I would get frustrated the way kids do. Which is silly, because I remember liking it and being proud that I could play these pieces on piano. I don’t know why I stopped.
When did you start actively playing guitar like you do now?
I was about 14. That was when I became friends with Nina [Diaz of Girl in a Coma, in 2002]. Basically, it’s strange because…Hold on, I’m getting ahead of myself. In middle school, I was in band.
What did you play?
[Laughing] Saxophone. Clarinet and saxophone. When I tried out for band, I think was rebelling against both of my parents, “I don’t want to play guitar or drums.” Instead, I chose the saxophone, the most random instrument.
So your “punk” move was saxophone?
Yeah, and the assistant band director played beats on his lap had me repeat them and they got progressively more difficult and I could play every single one of them. He said, “She’s a drummer.” But I was, “I want to play saxophone” and he was like, “Ooooo-kay, I guess,” so they started me out on clarinet.
Do you still practice the saxophone or clarinet?
[Smiles] Ooooh, no. No, no, no, no.
Why not?
The last time I tried, I couldn’t even get a sound out of it.
How long ago was this?
When Chuck [Kerr] and Chris [Maddin] were doing the Kid A thing [the full-album covers project at Broadway 5050].
They wanted brass for “National Anthem.”
Chuck was desperate for a saxophone player. I was like, “I can’t play saxophone.” He was like, “You can just make noises.”
But Nina was playing guitar and I thought, “Oh, that’s really cool.” I don’t know why it was cool when Nina did it and not when my mom did it.
So let’s call what you’ve been doing recently in the music scene—booking and playing shows, leading the open mic and so on—your professional career. How long has that been going on?
I was 19 and I had just come back from New York [from college in 2007]. I got a boyfriend [guitarist Danny Cantu] and he and I played music together in Blue Means Go. They were always his songs; we kind of worked together. It started as him on guitar and me singing and then we added a bassist and drummer. We just kept going through drummers, so I decided to play drums.
We [she and him] broke up in 2010 and we were both like, “Let’s keep the band going,” and we did that for one show and I was like, “Fuuuuuuck this.”
And since then you’ve been kind of doing things here and there. The first time I saw you was at a Nicolette Good gig in 2010, where you were singing backup. I thought the same thing that Nicolette eventually admitted to on Facebook: that you upped their cool factor.
[Laughing] I love Nicolette…
I take it that at this time, “singer-songwriter” Carly Garza had not yet really emerged.
[Laughing] I still haven’t…I had one song written after the band broke up. I would take out my laptop sometimes and do some stream-of-consciousness writing and then kind of organize it into some semblance of poetic whatever. I had only a few songs back then.
When did you start taking over the Martini Ranch open mic? I’ve only ever gone when [Pop Pistol bassist] George Garza Jr. has hosted it.
I took over in 2012 because Nina was doing it and she wanted me to take over when she went on tour. Well, she was on tour for half of 2012. I feel like I got better at performing.
My impression of that gap between Blue Means Go and Martini Ranch is that you just kept popping up. You were in Black Magic [and the Full Expose] and you did backing vocals for Nicolette…I saw your show at Blue Star with Jason Christopher Trevino and you were playing an art premiere [in fall 2011]. It was a mixture of covers and originals and it felt like the Carly Garza that I know was kind of emerging at that time.
That’s basically where I’m still at. My writing process has been so painstakingly slow.
Why?
I’m not sure. I’m just barely learning how to write songs right now and I hate everything I write.
My songs are really, really personal and they’re about people, you know? A moment in time or a certain conversation I had with somebody and I’ve had people ask me, “Is this song about me?” and I’m like, “No, [laughing] I don’t want to talk about it.”
[Laughing] “No, it’s not, but this conversation is over.”
Maybe everybody is that way.
Everybody encounters this struggle. Mark Twain forbid the publishing of his memoirs until he was dead because he didn’t want to be around to be accountable. I understand that, but I often think that we need to start giving less of a fuck…which reminds me, what have you been working on lately?
I have five [original] songs that I play in front of people. And two others that are basically done, but I’m still getting up the courage to play them. I probably will at these upcoming shows. You know, I see people [other artists] and get inspired by them and then frustrated because I can’t be like them.
I’m still learning how to write. I have a lot of pieces in my GarageBand…a lot of them are crap. Some parts of them are really good, but I need to do something with them. Now I’m like, “What’s the most important part of a song? A melody. How do I come up with a strong melody?” And going from there…The most success has come from having the words and thinking of a melody and plugging chords in at the end. I know it’s different for every songwriter. But I’ve only just discovered that this is how I have to go about this process.
One of my goals this year is…I really need a band. I want to learn how to play with other people. Sometimes I get together with musicians and it’s like, “What do you want to work on?” and I’m like, “[indistinct noise indicating that she is shutting down].”
I’m seeing a parallel here. Being an only child, naturally pre-disposed to being alone. So frequently we see you with just your vocal, guitar and a mic.
And I don’t write with other people. It scares me.
That’s weird because I remember being at Broadway 5050 in October 2011 and watching you, Libby Wardlaw and, I think, Melissa Malick all sing backup for Chris Maddin and Chuck Kerr doing “Monster Mash.” I could tell that doing the backup was spur-of-the-moment and that kind of interdependency was a sight to behold. Is there just reluctance for you to take the reigns?
I guess so. I once did a jam of my original material with Dave Terry [drummer for Kubrick]. It wasn’t like we were going to start a band and it was liberating and something I need to remember. But then I was, “No Dave, play that beat this way…” and it felt like I shouldn’t be taking myself so seriously.
For me, the thing that I associate with you the most is the Martini Ranch open mic. Why has that become such a fixture for you?
[Quizzically, but smiling] I don’t know. Cause it’s there. I haven’t had any new material, haven’t been playing shows. Black Magic has been trying to record.
There’s this weird tension in your career. I can’t think of the San Antonio music community and not think of some key players—[recently departed Bad Breaks creative force] Chuck Kerr, [singer/songwriter/broadcaster] Nick Mery, [label owner and promoter] Scott Andreu, Pop Pistol—figures that always seem to making a noise. It feels as if you do the same thing except it’s in this weird form.
Well for me, it’s about practicing in front of people. Forcing myself to learn new songs. Getting used to play with people. I’ve made new friends through this thing. It’s a good thing.
And there is also this coming together of disparate musicians. Someone is playing generic bar songs. Someone else is playing Texas Country.
Yeah. We’re not all the same. At Chris Maddin’s thing, it’s the indie hits. At Martini Ranch, I’m the person playing indie hits and everyone else is playing Sublime or fucking Weezer [smiles].
Shifting gears, tell me what was going on at the KRTU Plugged In Session with the use of loop pedals and so on.
I’d been wanting a pedal for a while. Nina was using one for her shows and it felt like it would help me write. I just needed something because I’m tired of playing shows with just a guitar.
Did the sessions feel tentative to you? I felt I was catching you in a state of rapid change.
It’s funny you’re mentioning that because I want my next incarnation to be entirely different from what I’ve been presenting onstage. I don’t want to be seen as a singer-songwriter. I want to have a band that represents [my music]. But I’m just now learning about gear. I’m still learning GarageBand.
Well, discuss for me the place you want to carve out for yourself in the community. It feels like you’re interested in doing more than simply evangelizing people of your music.
Well, I definitely want to connect with people through music. I mean, isn’t that the point? It’s really important for me to continue to make friends through music. Finding people to play with. I don’t know. It’s a lot to think about.
The San Antonio scene is weird. Part of me just wants to leave. Part of me feels like I have a space to fill somewhere.
Most artists go one of three ways in San Antonio. They give up. They move away. Or they stick it out. What’s your motivation for staying if you decide to?
Honestly, to finish college. I’m not here because I wanted to come back from New York. I was so devastated to come back from art school; my dreams were crushed [because of financial problems]. I need to follow at least one of those dreams. It’s hard for me to talk about the community here…I don’t know. It’s because I’ve had relationships with people who are big parts of the San Antonio art and music community and I think they felt the same ambivalence that I do. It’s like, “I’m a fixture here. A lot of people are looking at me. And yet, I don’t want to stay here. But I want everyone else around me to be better.” I don’t know. Why would I want to be here when many people are complacent?
Well, I had a revelatory talk with Chuck Kerr one time about something similar. He admitted to being guilty of having his little chunk of territory and being able to score a show when he wants and do the shows he likes and not really carry the scene nor his own career onto a national stage. Not really being interested in doing the work of projects like Local 782, which are trying to elevate the art and music community to something greater than it already is.
I just don’t know how successful that will be ever. And that type of work, I don’t have any interest in doing it because…I don’t know. I mean, I evaluate everyone I see on stage, asking myself, “Should they really be doing this? Should I?” I mean, [growls]. I’m a shit talker…
Carly Garza and Lorita Drive will play a special Valentine’s Day show on 2/14 at The Mix. Doors at 8 p.m. 21+.
Buy Garza’s KRTU Plugged In Session here.
More by David Terry.